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Havoc Demon Hunter State on Shadowlands Beta - Covenant Abilities, Legendaries, Spec Concerns

Pubblicato 20/07/2020 alle 21:48 da Kib0

IntroductionKibStrawberry Puppy KissesFel Hammer Demon Hunter DiscordStreamWhat has Changed?Class/Spec Changes

Rogo Rovente is now baseline.

Good change especially due to the fury generation up front.

Lame Danzantiincrease your chance to dodge by 100% for 1 sec.Spazzata della Morte

Pretty important and extremely sad change especially for M+. Being able to block targeted abilities in keys added an element of skill to a knowledgeable player.

Offuscamento35%Raggio Ocularespreadsheet

This change is somewhat hidden from the player since the tooltip is quite unclear about this. In practice, this does reduce our burst AoE considerably which is probably Blizzard's way to keep Eye Beam un-capped AoE but making it do less and less damage the more targets you hit.

Talent Changes

Fame Insaziabile Demon's Bite deals 20% more damage and ~~generates up to 10~~ generates 5 to 10 additional Fury.

Nice little buff to a talent that has never been used. Not enough to overtake the other 2 options however.

Odio Ardente

Adds fury over time effect to the new baseline Immo Aura, slight nerf over BFA package.

VilmaestriaCaos Indomabile

While looking pretty cool, Unbound Chaos suffers from the same issue it had in BFA when it was briefly introduced as an Azerite trait. Latency makes this ability almost impossible to aim correctly.

Lacerazione d'Anima10%10%

This impacts our sustain a lot especially for a talent that was not picked a lot to begin with.

Istinto della Disperazione15%

Another nerf to a talent that was barely used to begin with.

Calcafatuo2

Might as well nerf the whole row :), This change hurts a bit more as Netherwalk was used a lot and quite constantly in end game play as a fantastic defensive cooldown.

Ciclo dell'OdioMetamorphosis

Moving the Occhi della Rabbia effect from Appetito Demoniaco to Cycle of Hatred is quite horrible. This talent that was never picked will likely remain this way as competing with Primo Sangue is something that no talent since Legion was able to accomplish.

Rottura Essenza

A great upgrade over Dark Slash however similarly to Cycle of Hatred, competing against Primo Sangue is likely to leave this talent gathering dust.

Demone8

This is a very large nerf to Demonic. Taking away the ability from players to fit two Spazzata della Morte per Demonic window nerfs this talent extremely hard. A talent that was loved by a large amount of players.

OverviewCovenantsKyrianNight FaeNecrolordsVenthyrhere

Kyrian

Ability

Decreto Elisio is quite nice ability to use. The sigil being AoE and on a short cooldown gives it a good niche that emphasizes one of Havoc's strengths. The 3 Lesser Soul Fragments are also nice to have access to and synergize well with Appetito Demoniaco granting you basically 90 Fury every time you use the spell.

Signature

Evocazione: Factotum Without raid testing available, the only use of this signature ability, which is very powerful, is the dispel aspect especially in M+ situations. Shares a cooldown with normal potions and does not work in arena currently.

Necrolord

Ability

Carne alla Fiamma When first reading this tooltip my first worry was that the blood pool was going to be too small to be utilized fully during raid encounters. With recent testing I was quite happy to see that the blood pool has a diameter that is equal to the distance traveled by Vilscatto. This makes this slightly more user-friendly to use but doesn't change that the attack speed buff is very underwhelming. It is important however to mention that since we are killing a demon we will always benefit from Anime Infrante when using this covenant ability.

Signature

Forgiatura della Carne The shield can be quite powerful in niche situations which seems to be the theme for Signature abilities. We can all think of / remember encounters where having this shield would've been a life saver and I don't think Shadowlands will be any different.

Night Fae

Ability

A Caccia is extremely underwhelming for PVE content and probably just as bad for PVP. The extra fury generation while nice is very underwhelming compared to the other Covenant abilities available to us. The teleport might be situationally very strong but not very good due to our already extremely high mobility.

Signature

Animorfosi With so much mobility available to us with Vilscatto, Planata, Ritiro Vendicativo and Maestria: Presenza Demoniaca this is quite useless for us.

Venthyr

Ability

Marchio Peccaminoso This is it. Sinful Brand is the highest damage covenant ability for us currently by far. The downside compared to the Kyrian ability is that Sinful Brand is only single target but the second part of the spell more than makes up for this. Being able to apply Sinful Brand, which is tuned for single target, to every target you hit with your Metamorphosis makes for a giant power move that will play along with difficult pulls in M+.

Signature

Porta delle Ombre A teleport can be situationally nice however for the same reasons the Night Fae signature was pretty useless outside of these moments for us.

OverviewVenthyrKyrianNadjiaCercaguaiPelagosIl Passato è PassatoLegendaries

Potenziamento del Mezzo-Gigante Pretty useless in terms of throughput. Hard to see a situation where this would be an optimal choice.
Ora Più Oscura Again, 0 throughput benefits, RNG defensive as darkness does not guarantee any damage being prevented to begin with... very weak.
Dono Lumenero Having used this legendary effect in a couple dungeons the 20% reset feels too low to be useful in any most situations as consistency is generally king during progression. The random swing in damage provided by this is probably it's biggest flaw.
Angoscia Collettiva This power is very strong. Provides very strong AoE burst and decent single target damage also. Make sure your position yourself well, since the Vengeance Demon Hunter you summon will spawn 5 yards to your right and might miss the targets on your left.
Teoria del Caos Suffers from the same downfall as Dono Lumenero. The swing in proc chance make this power unpredictable, that it makes using it very hard.
Vilnucleo Erratico At first glance this looks amazing paired with Momentum but in reality the extra time we spend in Momentum is basically wasted as we do not currently have the resource generation to empower the added momentum uptime. Later in the expansion this legendary power will gain a lot of value however.
Demoni Interiori An other solid choice all around. The chance to proc is a bit low (~1.5 procs per minute) but the damage is quite good.
Vilbombardamento Saving the best for last. This legendary synergizes extremely well with both Maestro della Lama and Momentum and will shine in cleave and AoE situations. Every single time Rogo Rovente deals damage, you have a chance to gain a stack of the buff and this scales with targets surrounding you. On 3 targets each time Immolation Aura deals damage you have 3 chances to gain a stack. This legendary is very powerful on it's own and only becomes stronger when paired with the previously mentioned talent. BE CAREFUL as this legendary has a mind of its own at the moment on the Beta and it is impossible to control which enemy will be hit by the extra glaives you throw... Make sure to warn your group if you decide to use this legendary or this can happen...

Concerns Going ForwardThe performance of a spec does not correlate to how engaging / fun it is to playBorrowed PowerdefinesSguardo FuriosoSguardo Furiosothis logSguardo FuriosoStelle InfiniteMarchio del CaosScalingAssalto del CaosSpell Toolkitsingle target

Build fury with Morso del Demone

Press Raggio Oculare and Rogo Rovente on cooldown

Spend fury with Assalto del Caos

Lame DanzantiLancio LamaLame DanzantiPrimo SangueLancio Lamasingle targetVilbombardamentoWhat does this mean for the future?Marchio del Caos

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Commento di BashcutterYeeea, finally Demon Hunter is on an even playing field for arena at least.
They still basically have an answer to every problem you throw at them, but at least they're all more even, and not a really powerful answer to every situation.
Overall, good changes for the whole gameCommento di LuomoEverything a dh can do is what makes the game more fun in my opinion. Love the double jump glide and speed. Makes all other classes feel like boulders.Commento di terryhintzreally hope they make some big changes to havoc. old demolock died so that havoc could exist but is unfortunately way less cool. im fine with havoc being an easy spec to play but can they at least make them a little more interesting?Commento di ACOSPGood, reading this made me happy. It's about time, they've had it coming for a long while now.Commento di KetsukiGreat article, just because the systems in place have helped havoc feel like half a spec. The spec shouldnt need to rely on systems to feel like half a spec. Talents and toolkit should make a class feel like a real class. Sadly havoc has suffered from being a boring, sad spec, but people who read this or just come to comment without reading will just come to say that we deserve feeling like a bad spec just because the systems in the game and the way they interact with Demon Hunters give them damage, when that has nothing to do with what the article is about.

This is about discussing the issues with the spec as a whole. Damage numbers can be changed easy fixed. Core kit and playability and how a spec feels is what we are discussing here.Commento di Merkkthe haste nerfs are a bit too much.Commento di RisutoaI am very much okay with thisCommento di LVNDSCAPE"Strip a Havoc DH naked, no talent, no systems, just the spells in your spell book. The single target rotation is basically,
Build fury with Demon's Bite
Press Eye Beam and Immolation Aura on cooldown
Spend fury with Chaos Strike "

Isn't this the same rotation since Legion?

I can see dh mains complaining when they actually have to play the game.Commento di PanTraczSo if you dont like playing vs havocs or just dont like that class it should be nerfed? Thats fun guys... This spec has issues and some of you are happy about that and i dont know whyCommento di RukthormIsn't this the same rotation since Legion?Commento di thanos2020Good, reading this made me happy. It's about time, they've had it coming for a long while now.Commento di CronoveyI'd really prefer to see the Darkglare Medallion legendary effect change to something more like Kaskata Oculare di Raddon instead. While it may be weaker long term, the predictability of it would make it much easier to play around.

Losing the haste from Furious Gaze is going to be absolutely brutal for the feel of the class. That massive influx of haste after an Eye Beam just makes the class feel so much smoother than it actually is, which I'm reminded of every time I want to level a new DH alt or play one without that trait; the class was built entirely around borrowed power during Legion and that continued into BfA which makes me worry for next expansion.Commento di DaityasRemovedCommento di HalexarThe absolute state of the wowhead comments section. And all of this vitriol over a post about the mechanical design of a spec smh.

Anyway

Strip a Havoc DH naked, no talent, no systems, just the spells in your spell book. The single target rotation is basically,
Build fury with Demon's Bite
Press Eye Beam and Immolation Aura on cooldown
Spend fury with Chaos StrikeCommento di RasaricYeeea, finally Demon Hunter is on an even playing field for arena at least.
They still basically have an answer to every problem you throw at them, but at least they're all more even, and not a really powerful answer to every situation.
Overall, good changes for the whole gameCommento di couchpotato2013"Strip a Havoc DH naked, no talent, no systems, just the spells in your spell book. The single target rotation is basically,
Build fury with Demon's Bite
Press Eye Beam and Immolation Aura on cooldown
Spend fury with Chaos Strike "

Isn't this the same rotation since Legion?

I can see dh mains complaining when they actually have to play the game.Commento di EthisquareGreat post by Kib,

Some complete idiots in comment section not reading it, just say "hAvOc nErF, gOoD" Without understanding that, Havoc as a spec in high end raiding has relied heavily on borrow powers and systems.

A spec can do well numerically but be extremely bad mechanically, That is the point of the article if you bothered to read it. Filled with Dead talents, Laughable ledgedarys and a Developer that thinks the "core kit" is fine.Commento di musta1987Like i said in countless threads: simple =/= fun and engaging. I dont want to be OP, i want to be fun.Commento di musta1987Great post by Kib,

Some complete idiots in comment section not reading it, just say "hAvOc nErF, gOoD" Without understanding that, Havoc as a spec in high end raiding has relied heavily on borrow powers and systems.

A spec can do well numerically but be extremely bad mechanically, That is the point of the article if you bothered to read it. Filled with Dead talents, Laughable ledgedarys and a Developer that thinks the "core kit" is fine.Commento di syberditeYeah I am officially done with DH I envisioned this class being so much more when I was a kid playing this game in the early days. It's boring it's pathetic its lazy game design its all around garbage. Imagine taking away Metamorphosis from Demo locks one of my other mains back then taking it away and giving it to DH then imagine the old meta the one that actually made you feel POWERFUL like a GOD and now imagine meta being BORING and do nothing but make you spam the same buttons faster.

imagine if meta actually did something to make you feel strong and improve your gameplay not mashing the same buttons faster.

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