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The State of Fury Warriors on the Shadowlands Beta

Pubblicato 08/08/2020 alle 05:30 da Archimtiros

LegionShadowlandsState of ArmsAbout the Author

Archimtiros is the principle Warrior theorycrafter, guide writer, and SimulationCraft developer responsible for maintaining the Warrior module, as well as a part of the Wowhead Staff. He can be commonly found on Twitter or answering questions in the Warrior Discord server, Skyhold, now over 100,000 members strong.

A Whirlwind of Design IterationCataclysmMists of Pandaria

The interplay between Wild Strike and Heroic Strike in the 5.4 Mists of Pandaria patch is one of the most beloved versions of Fury to date, combining elements of burst windows using Colossus Smash, frenetic gameplay spamming Heroic Strike, and powerful individual nukes using Storm Bolt. While very popular, it was marred by technical issues and conflicting rotational priorities.

Warlords of Draenor saw an extremely controversial rework removing Heroic Strike and placing Wild Strike in a more prominent role. In an effort to mimic the speed of MoP's off-GCD spam, a lower GCD for Wild Strike was attempted, allowing the ability to be spammed multiple times in quick succession. Unfortunately it led to a convoluted mess, as procs making the only rage dump free often led to overcapping and waste.

Legion saw the largest reimagining of Fury to date, introducing Scatto d'Ira and solidifying the Rage -> Furia gameplay loop which remains today. Some questionable design points, like Enrage increasing damage taken and an over abundance of stacking cooldowns, but the overall changes were enough to return the spec to a popularity not seen since the end of MoP.

Battle for Azeroth refined the Legion design, fixing many outstanding issues, adding rage generation to nearly every ability in order to eliminate opportunity cost, and greatly increasing the specs baseline Haste, finally creating the fast and furious gameplay that the spec was originally themed around. While some deride the rotation for its simplicity, it's become more popular than ever, and proven that a rotation really doesn't need to be difficult in order to be engaging.

Shadowlands ChangesShadowlandsScatto d'IraFuriaUnpruning

Rifletti Incantesimo is an incredibly powerful addition to the toolkit, offering spell immunity, extra damage output, or at worst just a very nice magical damage reduction on a very short cooldown with no cost or GCD. That's before considering how outright broken the party-wide legendary effect can be.

Lancio Frantumante has great PvP potential, but also a surprising amount of PvE viability where absorption shields are used. It does have a slightly high opportunity cost for Fury though, due to the cast eating multiple global cooldowns, so it will only be used when there's a real need to.

Insensibilità is a bit controversial as nobody really enjoys trading their damage (rage) for survivability, which hurts Fury even more due to reducing Enrage uptime. High performing players will find places to make it shine, but it's to see how the majority will avoid using it as much as possible due to the high opportunity cost.

Intervento adds even more mobility to an already highly mobile class, and complements Charge very well. The defensive aspect is rather questionable though, as Fury doesn't have any immunity to tank a bosses for any length of time.

ContusioneoccasionallyColpo di ScudoScudo SaldoSpecialization & Talent ChangesBaseline

Furia haste speed bonus is reduced from 25 -> 15%

Sete di Sangue healing reduced from 5% -> 3%.

Scatto d'Ira cost reduced from 85 -> 80 rage.

Avventatezza duration increased from 10 -> 12 sec.

Chiamata a Raccolta temporary health increased from 15 -> 20%.

Furia Ossessionata has been reintroduced (see below).

too fastSenza PietàFuria OssessionataBattle for AzerothAcciaio Freddo, Sangue Caldotalent calculatorTalents

Rabbia Infinita, Rabbia Interiore, Taglio Furioso, and Carneficina have been removed, while several talents have changed rows (see above).

Carne Fresca no longer increases healing, but can trigger guaranteed Enrage.

Vittoria Imminente now heals for 30% up from 20%.

Massacro also reduces the cooldown of Execute by 1.5 sec.

Frenesia is no longer an attack, instead triggering on of Rampage casts.

Massacro is a new attack, only usable while enraged.

Agitazione increases Bloodthirst's rage generation.

Berserker Schiumante no longer modifies Rampage, but causes it to refund rage.

Crudeltà improves Raging Blow similar to Inner Rage.

Tritacarne now improves Whirlwind damage and cleaves more attacks.

Ruggito del Drago has a slightly lower cooldown and now crits for triple damage (instead of double).

Abbandono Avventato doubles the damage and adds a new effect to Bloodthirst (Bagno di Sangue) and Raging Blow (Colpo Devastante) during Recklessness.

Runeforged Legendaries

Cadenza di Fujieda and Volontà del Berserker may both appear to be good bonuses, but the short durations make them very difficult to use effectively, and virtually worthless in a lot of content, for seemingly no reason. This is the perfect example of what would be good bonuses ruined by arbitrary restrictions which are often blocked by encounter mechanics that simply can't be outplayed. If the goal is balance, the effects should simply be nerfed, and the durations buffed to something more reasonable.

Portatore di Morte and Difesa Sprezzante both work fairly well. Unfortunately reducing the cooldown of Recklessness isn't hugely impactful, especially as it desyncs Siegebreaker, but it does work fairly well with the new Reckless Abandon. Likewise, randomly applying Siegebreaker opens more possibilities to forgo that talent in favor of Anger Management or Reckless Abandon.

Riverbero Sismico is memorable from its very powerful role in Legion, however the gameplay has changed since then so that Whirlwind is no longer the major contributor to multitarget damage, enabling other abilities to cleave for damage instead.

Anello con Sigillo dei Re Tormentati has some interesting potential, but the unreliable nature holds it back. The last thing you want to do is activate Recklessness and proc Bladestorm before you've been able to cast Rampage, thereby depriving Bladestorm of the enraged damage bonus and quite possibly overcapping rage.

Specchio Deformato quite simply has amazing potential, to the point where it's probably going to see a hefty nerf. Spell Reflection is strong in general right now, able to circumvent an alarming number of mechanics as well as deal tremendous damage - extending that to the entire party is just plain broken. Most likely, certain spells will be listed to ignore reflection and only have their damage reduced, but time will tell. As it currently stands, mass spell reflection is an amazingly powerful group tool in Mythic+ as well as many raid encounters.

Soulbinds, Conduits, and Covenant AbilitiesVenthyr:Condannaconduit)Porta delle OmbreKyrian:Lancia del BastioneEvocazione: FactotumFiala della SerenitàNight Fae:Scossa d'Assestamento AnticaAnimorfosiNecrolord:Stendardo del ConquistatoreForgiatura della Carnevery appealing bonusesOverall AssessmentShadowlandsShadowlandsBattle for AzerothShadowlandsProsCons

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Commento di DarkYoghurtPersonaly I think the problem of Slam could be solved with propably a Cataclysm version of Bloodsurge, that makes it free of cost and maybe deal increased damage. That way it could find it's way in Fury's rotation. As for Shield Block and Shield Slam I had an idea of bringing back Defensive Stance as baseline and have it artificialy equip warriors with a shield so they could use them.Commento di StardawnWell that's at least one warrior spec (if not one spec among all classes) that doesn't look too bad in the current state of beta !Commento di ArchimtirosPersonaly I think the problem of Slam could be solved with propably a Cataclysm version of Bloodsurge, that makes it free of cost and maybe deal increased damage. That way it could find it's way in Fury's rotation. As for Shield Block and Shield Slam I had an idea of bringing back Defensive Stance as baseline and have it artificialy equip warriors with a shield so they could use them.needneedCommento di cokeboyswagBeen pretty frustrated with fury all of 8.3.

No real reason to bring a fury warrior to the table. AoE capped. No niche. No interesting or game changing utility. I say this as a 12/12M warrior with 99th percentile on a majority of fights in Nya with a couple of top 30 parses for fury. Pretty !@#$ that we've been AoE capped, don't really scale well with corrupts compared to other classes, meh single target and AoE cap whereas DH and outlaw taking a dump on fury warriors all through M+ (I'm 4k io and pretty much hard capped there - I can't pug io like other classes and have to rely on friends who sacrifice an outlaw/dh for me).

Hoping slands is better to us.Commento di DrOwnzI love how you look at night fae

many others I've read just discarded it because the spear did mroe damage and condem looks amazing...

I love the ancient aftershock rage generation over time, also I really like the coulbinds that are in the game for night fae right now, especially the interupt or the damage increase against low targets, it also lines up very amazingly with reckless abandon

also the potential vanish with soul shape just seems too strong to skip, if you can cheese targeted boss mechanics with it

also I think soul shape is quite compelling, as it allows mt to grab storm bolt without feeling bad for not picking double time

all in all I think the night fae opener would be crazy:
-reckless abandon
-charge
-fresh meat bloodthirst
-ancient aftershock

-$$$ free rage for days

also it seems you have skipped over the 2nd part of fresh meat, which raises the chance to trigger enrage from bloodthirst from 30% to 45%, what's your opinion on that?Commento di Warder117I miss the old Stormbolt, when it did 400% bonus dmg to targets immune to stun, and was the go to ST ability on that talent row. Also would like to see Fury( and Arms) get Shockwave back as a talent. No aoe stun is rough. :(Commento di ToragTheDwarfI for one loved the days of Wild Strike. I even chose the talent that affected it (but can't remember how - made next two strikes free on some proc?) and would some times get large Wild Strike chains in a row.Commento di ArchimtirosBeen pretty frustrated with fury all of 8.3.

No real reason to bring a fury warrior to the table. AoE capped. No niche. No interesting or game changing utility. I say this as a 12/12M warrior with 99th percentile on a majority of fights in Nya with a couple of top 30 parses for fury. Pretty !@#$ that we've been AoE capped, don't really scale well with corrupts compared to other classes, meh single target and AoE cap whereas DH and outlaw taking a dump on fury warriors all through M+ (I'm 4k io and pretty much hard capped there - I can't pug io like other classes and have to rely on friends who sacrifice an outlaw/dh for me).

Hoping slands is better to us.besteffectiveCommento di DrOwnzAlso would like to see Fury( and Arms) get Shockwave back as a talent. No aoe stun is rough. :(Commento di KeyenConqueror banner is severely underestimated. The conduit is actually quite awesome, and transform the skill into a burst cd with high length (+26% str for 30s), while still providing the group bonus.

I think it can provide high value even with 3 casters in the group (because it's decent even for you alone), and can be launched at great heights if builded around properly.Commento di Archimtiros

also it seems you have skipped over the 2nd part of fresh meat, which raises the chance to trigger enrage from bloodthirst from 30% to 45%, what's your opinion on that?Commento di ArchimtirosConqueror banner is severely underestimated. The conduit is actually quite awesome, and transform the skill into a burst cd with high length (+26% str for 30s), while still providing the group bonus.

I think it can provide high value even with 3 casters in the group (because it's decent even for you alone), and can be launched at great heights if builded around properly.

You don't get much out of it on the pull.

It has timing restrictions, which can be planned around, but do mean it's possible for the banner to expire without having been planted in some unfortunate circumstances.

Once planted, it has range restrictions, which is bad enough in highly mobile situations, and you can't easily control who else is/not getting that buff without having the whole group/raid staying aware of it.

Commento di Warder117I'm planning on going Necrolords for my covenant choice atm. I'm liking the thought of some mean Banner + Windfury Totem melee/hunter stack groups. :D Plus with the 20% increased max hp, makes a good group/personal defensive. Anyone know if it stacks with Commanding Shout? o.O Oh, anyone hat has played the Alpha/Beta, with the loss of azerite traits, will Fury BiS sec stat go back to Haste? Or somehow still be Crit?Commento di ArchimtirosI'm planning on going Necrolords for my covenant choice atm. I'm liking the thought of some mean Banner + Windfury Totem melee/hunter stack groups. :D Plus with the 20% increased max hp, makes a good group/personal defensive. Anyone know if it stacks with Commanding Shout? o.O Oh, anyone hat has played the Alpha/Beta, with the loss of azerite traits, will Fury BiS sec stat go back to Haste? Or somehow still be Crit?Commento di WishbladeLooking forward to enjoying Fury for yet another expansion.Commento di Solartis29yep i'm really disapointed by this unprunning, it feel like a waste of resource with no impact. i was expecting to be able to play a more "generic" warrior and have more freedom for dome cool thing like spartan gameplay with shield and 2 h weapong.....

what the point to unprunning if you never use this abilities...

hoodwinkCommento di KechlionThanks for the excellent write up Archimtiros. I always enjoy reading your work. Makes me happy to continue on playing Fury.

The addition of Spell Reflect and Ignore Pain make me a super happy camper, especially as someone who prefers not to stress the healer if I don't have to. IP probably won't see a lot of use in raid, but as someone who currently does keys in the 20-22 range being able to survive those damage spikes where I just barely otherwise died is way, way more valuable than the extra damage from Rampage, see: Cragmaw Rampage, Tussle Tonks Gnomercy Vent Jets, Kula the Butcher's Axes, Dazar's leap, The Sand Queen Upheval, and then the various and sundry M+ affixes that it's hard to get away from.

Just wondering - I had heard that the Phial of Serenity was on the same gcd as regular healing potions, but you've said it not. I have no reason to doubt you, just wondering if that's a thing you've specifically tested or not. I'm less interested in the heal and FAR more interested in the removing debuffs. As a non-Dark Iron, this is the one key that has made me consider swapping races. I'm very lucky that I have a set group for M+ so I'm always looking for more survivability and utility and being able to self dispel affects like bleeds and such are super valuable.

I'm glad to see that the covenant abilities all seem to be useful, which lets me pick the covenant I want instead of the covenant I HAVE to have. I love the idea of the Conqueror's Banner I just feel like the implementation will be rough. It's neat flavor to think of wielding your clan banner or something, slamming it down, and fighting extra hard on the hilltop, that kind of thing. Ultimately I'll probably go Venthyr because I love the idea of Condemn and so far I like their lore a lot more than anyone else's.

Again - great write up!Commento di Dracold"Spell Reflection is strong in general right now, able to circumvent an alarming number of mechanics as well as deal tremendous damage - extending that to the entire party is just plain broken."
I don't know about that. We are still talking about a single spell reflect. Yeah, it affects the whole party, but after the first spell, the spell reflect buff is cancelled. If anything, it being applied to the whole party can actually diminish its potential rather than increase it. Because if you activate it expecting an incredibly strong enemy spell, but meanwhile some enemy imp casts his measly weak firebolt on a random member of your party (or a pet in your party), it only reflects this one insignificant spell and it's over.
In WotLK (and maybe even in later expansions), Shamans had spell reflect totem that did the same thing. Buffed the entire party to reflect the next incoming spell. And that was back in the day when there were no PvP talents, so it was usable for both PvP and PvE. Wasn't overpowered even when every single Shaman in battleground could do it. There are way too many spells flying around for it to be incredibly useful. Usually it's eaten by a filler spell casters use instead of auto attacks.Commento di Gojira615I picked up fury warrior as an alt during the anniversary event and he’s a ton of fun. I main Sin rogue so it’s two very different yet enjoyable play styles. With how much warriors have going on for SL and with how little we know about rogues I’m leaning more towards warrior Thanks for the excellent write up.Commento di Superczar" Fury Warriors have enjoyed a the limelight for the past couple expansions, with near universal praise"

Are you on crack? Fury has been a joke spec for almost the entire time I have played it (and it's my main, since 2009). PvP is even MUCH WORSE, with near zero point in playing PvP in the spec.

Sure we have had a few moments in between patching where we were useful and could output serious damage, but nowhere near any consistency in viability from expansion to expansion.

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