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Outlaw Rogue State in Shadowlands - DPS Strengths, Best Covenants, Soulbinds and Legendaries

Pubblicato 11/11/2020 alle 23:25 da Squishei

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Outlaw Rogue Guide

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Level 15: Assalto Spettrale has potential to be better on a single target raid boss

Level 30: Vigore is a stronger talent when you get into all end-game content. I just really like Marchio della Morte for leveling.

Level 40: Colpi Sleali is a really great option here now. In Mezzo agli Occhi not procing the Razzia dei Deboli debuff makes it much less of an "always take" talent anymore. I'd recommend playing around with both and see what you like!

Outlaw Rogue Leveling Perks

Vortice di Lame (Rank 2) is the first of these new passives you’ll get as an Outlaw Rogue. This simply adds a little “oomph” to your Blade Flurry activations. While this is a nice little bonus, it won’t be changing your rotation at all without some additional factors we’ll talk about in the conduits section.

Veleno Anestetizzante comes next as your first new class-wide spell. While this doesn’t provide any additional damage, it is what I’m personally most excited about for Rogue in Shadowlands. This kind of utility, while not unique, is massively powerful in mythic plus if you find yourself not needing Veleno Paralizzante, which is often the case. This will likely be one of the more overlooked utilities Outlaw Rogue brings to dungeons, as it doesn’t show up on meters, but the damage reduction provided for your tank through this is absolutely massive. Additionally, this gives you the ability to remove enrage effects from targets with Stilettata while this poison is applied, and thank god for that. Rogues certainly needed more utility to help their viability in dungeons.

Next you’ll learn Rampino (Rank 2). This is just a boost to mobility by reducing the cooldown. Very cool, but not much to say here.

Lastly, you’ll receive Evasione (Rank 2). This won’t see too much use in PvE content, but is a cool bonus when you do find yourself in situations where you’re tanking. Notably while leveling or in solo content this is a pretty big damage bonus if you pull a few mobs.

Outlaw Rogue Covenants

Kyrian

The Kyrian of Bastion will empower your Rogue with the ability to use Rimprovero Rimbombante. This ability, while complex in wording, is actually fairly simple to use. The ability itself simply does damage and generates 2 Combo Points for a very low cost. Upon use, your 2nd, 3rd, or 4th Combo Point will be chosen at random to become “Animacharged”. The next time this Animacharge combo point is used on a damage dealing finisher, it will be as if 7 combo points were spent. This will only have a fairly slight impact on gameplay, as eventually you will land on the correct combo point just through executing your rotation normally. It is not a gain to try to manipulate your combo points in an inefficient way in order to use this Animacharge earlier. You will simply enjoy the benefit of a big Evasione or In Mezzo agli Occhi when it happens!

Initially, I felt that this ability was “clunky” and didn’t quite fit into Rogue gameplay given the randomness of combo point generation due to Opportunità procs and the Bordata buff. However, the more I play with it, the more comfortable the ability feels, and I’ve actually grown to rather enjoy it! It fits pretty nicely into the Outlaw rotation in particular due to its passive synergy with Lame Irrequiete, helping get your cooldowns back even faster.
The conduit for this ability is Riverbero. While this effect is not bad, there are other more powerful conduits you will likely use in place of it. We’ll discuss these in detail further into the article.
Secondly, the Kyrian Covenant will grant access to Evocazione: Factotum, who when summoned will bring you a Fiala della Serenità, along with allowing you to change your talents without the use of a Tomo della Mente Ferma, and compliment one of your friends! I commonly refer to the Phial as a Cloak of Healthstoneform, as it combines the effects of many other useful defensive spells into one. Importantly, it also does not share a cooldown with Pietra della Salute or Pozione di Cura Spirituale, making this an extremely powerful item in both Raiding and Mythic Plus alike. Even in situations where you can’t make good use of the debuff removal, or where Manto d'Ombra is already useful enough, having an extra Health Potion can very well save your life.

Necrolord

Night Fae

If you choose to side with the Night Fae of Ardenweald, your Outlaw Rogue will gain access to Sepsi. This ability applies a Poison DoT that deals high damage, and “pops” for a moderate hit on expiration. If the “pop” damage is allowed to occur before the target dies, you will gain access to an additional Imboscata or Colpo Basso cast. If the target dies prematurely, the cooldown on the ability will be reduced. Typically you’ll want to use this on cooldown and intend for the DoT to tick its full duration. An exception to this would be when using the Niya soulbind in dungeons. Trying to “snipe” dying targets to get the Cooldown Reduction will allow more uses, and more uptime on Invigorimento del Bosco.

Since the change to this covenant ability (even though it was a necessary change), I find myself very bored with the ability. A mediocre DoT and an extra Ambush every 90 seconds just isn’t what I was hoping for from a covenant ability. There is some synergy here with the Conta delle Probabilità conduit available for Outlaw, which certainly adds value, just not quite enough for me to enjoy the ability.
Folgore Settica can be applied to your Soulbind tree to increase the damage of the DoT portion of Sepsis. This conduit follows the theme of the previous two covenant ability conduits, in that it’s decent but unlikely to be used.
Animorfosi is an incredible mobility tool, and effectively acts like another Scatto with a Teleport attached to it. Other, less mobile, classes will find a bit better use for it than Rogues, but that’s not to say this ability isn’t awesome!

Venthyr

Last, and unfortunately perhaps least, choosing to align with the Venthyr of Revendreth will allow your rogue to use Flagellazione. This ability I liken a bit to the trinket Corallo Tagliente dei Bracescura, from The Eternal Palace raid. When used it deals low damage immediately and leaves a debuff behind, causing the debuffed target to take additional damage per each combo point you spend. Each combo point also applies stacks to this debuff, which can be consumed by reactivating Flagellation to grant your Rogue a large Haste buff. It is worth noting that you can swap targets and still build stacks on this debuff so long as you are within its very forgiving range. Currently, it appears simply using this ability on CD deems the best results.

Initially, I was very excited for the rework of this ability, given how much I enjoyed playing with Razor Coral. The addition of the 90 second cooldown has killed a bit of the hype for me here though. I still think it’s a cool idea, and hope they’re not done iterating on it, because I think it has amazing potential!
The Cicatrici Sferzanti conduit provides a decent increase to the initial damage of this ability, but currently looks far too weak to see serious use.
Porta delle Ombre is the Venthyr's signature ability, and is something you can certainly do some cool tricks with. It functions as a targetted teleport with a cast time. Initially it was thought this could maybe be insane for skips in mythic plus, but it hasn't really turned out that way. Now it mostly ends up being used as some nice in combat mobility.

Picking a Covenant - Meaningful Choice?Rimprovero RimbombanteFiala della SerenitàOutlaw Rogue SoulbindsConta delle ProbabilitàMinaccia TriplaGioco di Prestigio

Meditazione in Combattimento is a large chunk of mastery you’ll receive when you use Rimprovero Rimbombante. Additionally you can extend the duration of this buff by picking up the small blue orbs that spawn randomly while this buff is active!

Mantra Focalizzante will be exceptional in mythic plus, reducing the cooldown on your Fiala della Serenità. You’ll find some use of this in any raid encounter with adds, but I would still take this path even if you did not. Passing up a Potency slot, for no additional throughput gain is not something I’d recommend.

I choose Dita Veloci as my first Endurance conduit here, as it is the only Endurance conduit that is technically a DPS increase. It’s also a great defensive option as mentioned earlier.

The next row is very much up to your preference and won’t have any impact on your actual gameplay. I choose Paramenti Purificati as it’ll provide a nice boost in gold or materials depending on what you choose for your professions.

Finally, in your last choice in the tree you’ll see I have both Recuperatore and Pronto a Tutto slotted. These both can find their uses depending on what you need for any given situation. Thankfully, swapping between the two is painless and can be done on the fly with a Tomo della Mente Ferma.

We top it all off with Il Passato è Passato. This trait certainly could see some tuning in the future, as I believe a lot of the strength of Pelagos resides in the combination of this and Combat Meditation. It’s very easy to maintain this buff at 4 stacks for a very long time, making it simply a 4% Versatility buff.

Coraggio AcutoOutlaw Rogue ConduitsPotency

Conta delle Probabilità is, in my opinion, the coolest conduit Rogues of any spec have access to. I’ve been referring to it as “Build-a-Buff.” Chaining additional Roulette Assassina buffs on top of pre-existing ones just feels so cool. Not only that, but it’s currently out performing the other conduits so you’ll always run it in an optimal build. It makes rolling a 5 Buff even cooler because you almost always proc yourself into a 6 Buff with this conduit!

Minaccia Tripla is what you will almost always use as you 2nd Outlaw conduit. This is just a passive proc for some extra damage. These extra hits don’t generate combo points, but they do contribute to increasing stages of the Talismano dell'Astuzia legendary effect, which we’ll discuss later.

Gioco di Prestigio piles on top of Count the Odds to create even more multi-buff situations for you! I’ve really enjoyed playing with these two together. Even if it’s not technically the “best” set-up, I think it’s close enough for the fun factor to push this over the top.

Ambidestria passively increases the amount of Doppio Attacco procs you’ll get, so long as Vortice di Lame is active. Using this conduit alters your play slightly, and makes keeping Blade Flurry active even on single target a DPS gain. Currently it’s just numerically worse than the other options, but we could see that change with higher Mastery values as the expansion progresses.

Riverbero is the conduit that modifies our Kyrian covenant ability. As this is a flat damage increase, this comes entirely down to numbers. At the ranks we currently have available it is simply too weak and will likely not see play. It looks to perform a bit better as we get to higher ranks and could become a strong pick in future tiers.

If you choose Venthyr you'll have access to the Cicatrici Sferzanti conduit. This is in the same boat as Reverberation in that it will likely scale well at higher ranks, and could see potential use down the line.

Folgore Settica is available to Night Fae, and will also not see much use. It is numerically just too weak as a passive damage boost.

Finally, Fratture Improvvise is the weakest of all and certainly won't see much play early on by Necrolord Rogues.

Endurance & Finesse

Dita Veloci is an endurance conduit that lowers the cost of both Finta and Fiala Cremisi. While obviously a very strong defensive effect, this can even be considered a DPS increase as energy NOT spent on these two abilities is energy that you can spend on dealing damage.

Recuperatore is another endurance conduit. This will cause Fendenti Furiosi to also provide a passive heal over time. As Slice and Dice is always kept up in combat, this is a great increase to sustain.

Pronto a Tutto is a finesse conduit that will reduce the cooldown of both Evasione and Manto d'Ombra, so long as you are actively dodging attacks or interrupting spells.

Decisioni Rapide is the other finesse conduit I would consider taking. This is both an increase in the range, along with a decrease in the cooldown of Rampino.

LegendariesClass-Wide

Essenza di Zannacremisi falls somewhere in the middle of the pack in terms of usefulness for Outlaw Rogues. The healing effect, while nice, is too inconsequential to be super excited about, and the damage is just not quite there in comparison to other options.

Polvere d'Ombra Rinvigorente is one of the weakest options in terms of damage. However, the cooldown reduction it provides to your other abilities can create some awesome utility situations. Given that Outlaw gets to use Sparizione almost twice as often as the other specs through Lame Irrequiete, the cooldown reduction has some nutty potential. With that said, it’s pretty weak from a DPS perspective.

Marchio del Maestro Assassino returns from Legion and has many Rogue mains super excited! While it’s slightly weaker than its Legion form, this legendary still has amazing burst potential, and generally very good throughput in all situations. It looks to be the top performer on trash in mythic plus, and still quite good on boss fights too! If mythic plus is your focus, and you intend to play more than one spec, I think this will be a great first craft.

Piccola Lama Tossica, empowers the damage of Stilettata. For Outlaw this is pretty much useless. Shiv is not a spell you really want to be using for damage. While the free cp could be appealing, this is a pass for the pirate boys.

As an honorable mention here, Ombre Letali is a Subtlety legendary that has a bit of potential for Outlaw. Given the shorter cooldown on Sparizione, the pirate squad actually gets more out of this effect than Subtlety does. That sounds super great and all, but right now it's not strong enough to be played in my opinion. Nevertheless, keep an eye out!

Outlaw Specific

Fluidità is an effect very similar to the Visione della Perfezione Major Essence. There is an added bonus in that while this is equipped, your Scarica d'Adrenalina buff also increases your damage by 8%. That means procs from Celerity, as well as natural casts. Right now, this legendary effect is extremely powerful, and likely what you will use in every situation. This is definitely your first craft if you intend to play primarily Outlaw.

Schioppo Nascosto is a throwback to a Legion legendary item. The additional Colpo di Pistola casts all generate combo points, making this a nice burst when it procs. This effect is performing quite well on single target fights currently, and with slight tuning could end up being very strong.

Talismano dell'Astuzia is an homage to the days of Combat Rogue. However, Outlaw just plays different enough these days that there’s not much you can do to really play around your “Red Buff” anymore.” On top of that, the effect has been pretty neutered in tuning recently, and likely won’t see any play in its current form. It's worth noting that if you do play this Legendary, you should definitely use the Minaccia Tripla conduit.

Vimini di Pelleverde also makes a return in Shadowlands. From Legion legendary, to azerite trait and now back to legendary, I wish Blizzard would just make this effect baseline already. With the longer cooldown on In Mezzo agli Occhi we have in Shadowlands, this legendary is just not quite good enough to be worth it unfortunately. It’s really not that far behind though, so you could certainly use it without holding your damage back much if it’s a playstyle you enjoy.

What Does It All Mean?Vortice di LameRoulette AssassinaVortice di LameRoulette Assassina

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Commento di pabasaVery nice! Thanks for the very upbeat analysis. I'm planning to side-run a combat rogue as my dps main (my main druid stays resto), and this overview is just great!

I know this will be in the talent analysis, but I do wanna bring it up here for discussion.

I spent levelling my rogue using Vigor, which really plays into the fast pace non stop clicking gameplay. Going into deeper stratagem does give me some breathing room for a less intense gameplay.

I prefer deeper stratagem because it's less hectic, but will it affect my overall dps? As in, are the talents well balanced in that row for that choice?Commento di RoguePostDocIf Undad is lurking aorund, can he or others answer my question? Does Celerity trigger Loaded Dice talent?Commento di TheRedRogueIf Undad is lurking aorund, can he or others answer my question? Does Celerity trigger Loaded Dice talent?Commento di IllidianTheZeroNeeds more utulity - lol I hope that was sarcasm. Nevertheless as someone planning to run a rogue in SL I am definetely happy with how they are playing right now.Commento di kragragh“ The balance has miraculously been struck and you find yourself with truly a meaningful choice.”

I think you mean withOUT truly a meaningful choice.Commento di Nordrake1983Btw thank you for this detailed guide for Combat Rogues. I have a question about legendaries! How many legendaries I can use at the same time? 1 or more?
And can I use for example Greenskin's Wickers + Concealed Blunderbuss legendaries to make powerful oneshot bursts every 30 seconds when it procs? Thanks!Commento di QaneshaBtw thank you for this detailed guide for Combat Rogues. I have a question about legendaries! How many legendaries I can use at the same time? 1 or more?
And can I use for example Greenskin's Wickers + Concealed Blunderbuss legendaries to make powerful oneshot bursts every 30 seconds when it procs? Thanks!Commento di JohnnyMaverik“ The balance has miraculously been struck and you find yourself with truly a meaningful choice.”

I think you mean withOUT truly a meaningful choice.Commento di NysterixReally great stuff Undad! Thanks for the breakdown. I'm so excited for this exp.Commento di JCarr178Btw thank you for this detailed guide for Combat Rogues. I have a question about legendaries! How many legendaries I can use at the same time? 1 or more?
And can I use for example Greenskin's Wickers + Concealed Blunderbuss legendaries to make powerful oneshot bursts every 30 seconds when it procs? Thanks!Commento di JCarr178great guide! i really enjoyed reading it!Commento di pathofcloudA thought out well written detailed and explained guide that draws on experience and experimenting instead of just running a sim and copy and pasting tool tips... Well, it's about damn time. Honestly feels great and shows actual care for the spec, hope we get more guides like this, wonderful with Undad.Commento di vindurzayeah don't care if its the worst going with ven'thyrCommento di GreySageAs much as I like Outlaw, they really took in the worst direction in SL. We already had one of the most complicated rotations with the most buttons of any spec, now we add 3-4 more. More "fantasy", less QoL is not a good direction.Commento di Nordrake1983Hey hey, hold your horses. You know if "combat" sound more familiar to me then I will call it "combat" for the rest of my life. It's just a simple habit of old school rogue. Be water, my friend.Commento di Nordrake1983 its an outlaw rogue, stop holding onto the past.

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