Thoughts on Valor Points for Shadowlands Mythic+ Gearing - Is it Enough?

Pubblicato 11 giorni fa da Squishei

Valor Points in Patch 9.0.5

Valor Points are obtained from Mythic+ Dungeons and Callings.

There is a weekly cap on the amount of Valor Points that you can obtain.

Mythic+ gear obtained after Patch 9.0.5 can be upgraded using Valor Points, assuming you have the pre-requisites.
Upgrade to Item Level 207 - All +5 Dungeons Timed

Upgrade to Item level 213 - All +10 Dungeons Timed

Upgrade to Item Level 220 - All +15 Dungeons Timed

We’ve seen a lot of feedback about the pros and cons of the various sources of gear in the Shadowlands endgame. After a rewarding first few weeks, we know that many dungeon-focused players reached a point where the only relevant rewards from the system come from the Great Vault. While the Vault should represent a major goal and the source of the best rewards the endgame has to offer, we want to find a way for the loot from the chest at the end of a challenging Mythic Keystone run to feel relevant, without bringing back random upgrade systems such as Warforging, which partially solved this problem in the past. We also want to provide a more consistent reward for the effort for players who do not receive an item at all.

The framework for a system that attempts to address these goals should be present in this first PTR update, subject to ongoing tuning and refinement. Gear from Mythic Keystone Dungeons is now upgradeable, initially with a cap of item level 200, which players can raise to item level 207 by completing all eight Shadowlands dungeons at Mythic 5 or higher. This will award a new “Keystone Explorer” achievement, while the existing “Keystone Conqueror” achievement (for all +10s or higher) will increase the cap to item level 213, and then to item level 220 by completing the “Keystone Master” achievement for all +15s in time. The currency used to upgrade Mythic Keystone gear is Valor, which is earned from completing Mythic Keystone dungeons, or by doing covenant Callings, with a weekly cap. Upgrade costs will vary by item slot and will be consistent across all item levels.

Thoughts on Valor Points

Unlike Raiding and PvP, there is no way for players to get any item above Item Level 210 from Mythic+, other than from the Great Vault.

There is no way for Mythic+ players to get Item Level 233 weapons, which are rewarded from showing your mastery in Raiding or PvP by killing Mythic Denathrius and or achieving 2400 rating.

The Great Vault has 50+ items for each spec, and even with 3 choices, the chances that you get the item that you're looking for are low and random.

In order to get the item you want from end-of-dungeon rewards, the drop chance of the item varies wildly depending on how many people in the group can get and trade the item to you. This can be frustrating to players who only pug, compared to PvP which you can easily see yourself working towards your end goal of X amount of Honor.

Compared to PvP, Mythic+ers have to use a capped currency to upgrade items. This means that if you get a lower item piece in your Vault, PvPers can use their farmable currency to raise it's item level, while Mythic+ers can't.

PvP VendorsMythic+, the 3rd Pillar of WoW's EndgamePandaTV's interview with Ion HazzikostasIt's been amazing to see the evolution of the whole Mythic+ system. It came in as an experiment in Legion as a new type of dungeon gameplay and it's quickly grown into a 3rd pillar of the WoW endgame, alongside Rated PvP and Raids. We are fully supporting it and continue doing that forever.

Mythic+ players do not have access to non-Great Vault Item level 226 loot.

Mythic+ players do not have access to Item Level 233 weapons.

Mythic+ players have a lack of high-end pursuits.

Pandatv's Interview with Ion HazzikostasSomeone who just does PvP should be very competitive and should feel like they should have like 90 - 95% of the available power theoretically but WoW is a large game with a bunch of different types of activities that test different skills and there's something to be said for giving some extra edge to someone who is truly well rounded and is achieving at the highest levels in multiple spheres of gameplay. To be clear, that goes both ways and I don't see anything necessarily flawed with a raider incentivized in some small way to also dip their toes in PvP and if you're someone who can play at a Gladiator level in PvP and you're doing Mythic raiding, having small advantages, to be clear, small incremental advantages, not the sort of thing that feels mandatory to reflect on that shared mandatory, I don't think if that's the worst thing in the world.Distintivo della Ferocia del Gladiatore PeccatoreLack of High-End Rewards and PursuitsTrapanamente RisvegliatoTrapanamente Risvegliato from Mastro delle Chiavi di Battle for Azeroth: Stagione 4Raider.io Scorehis Shadowlands interview with TonTonCalcamorte Toccato dal Peccato from Maestro delle Chiavi di Shadowlands: Stagione 1Conclusion

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Commento di RedronNot enough compairing how easy pvpers can aquire gear equal to mythic raids. There's should be 226 for 15 key achievement and weapon upgrade to 233 for 20 keys.Commento di DedziorSquishei doesn't touch on other things in pvp vs m+.

In mythic + you play vs mobs, not real players that can outplay you. You learn dungeon mob's spells, interrupt or cc one mob that is bad for you and over. I'm timing 19/18 keys, and its much, much more difficult to learn all classes you play against(not only their spells, but also their capabilities in given situation) and on top of that how you must react in almost every second of arena. There is no doubt that getting 226 ilvl is much harder in pvp than m+

You don't face boosters in m+. You can get boosted, you can boost, but you won't play versus them in dungeon. Most of the times, you will lose vs multi glad/multi r1 players. How about in m+?

Somehow people forgot you also lose rating in pvp. And guess what when you lose 4-5 games, because of dc/lag/bad game or anything else? You can't upgrade those sweet weapons anymore.

Everyone is crying about that 233 weapon. But in order to get it, you literally have to be better than 99% players in pvp. First of all, most people struggle to get that 1800, which gives you 220 ilvl. In fact, if you are over 1800 rating in EU, you are better than 90% players. In order to make pvp and m+ balanced, m+ 18/19 should give you 226 and 21/22 key for 233 wep

You will get some loot in m+. Maybe not in the first dungeon, not the third, but you will get after all. In pvp you have to sit on your currencry for 4 weeks to get 2h wep or 2x 1h. And in the meantime you can't buy anything.

You won't face op classes like ret/arms/ww or fire mage(now he's kinda weaker, but still since release of SL he was a monster) in m+. Is there anything so random in dungeon like in pvp? Like paladin killing you in 2 globals and you lose 10 rating? I think not.

Commento di JimbrooksI think the addition of valor points is great, but when Blizz told us we wont be able to upgrade gear we already obtained it ruined it for me. We are nearly 3 months into a content patch (and grinding for gear) only for the gear we have painstakingly grinded for already to be inferior to the 'upgradable' variants.

I am absolutely fine with this if it was at the start of a major patch because we have to get new gear anyway, but for that re-grind to be mid-patch is extremely depressing to me. After all in a month or so after March we will get a major patch...and that gear to be replaced...it's way too short of a timeframe imo.Commento di ShamclothIt is a nice addition but the whole system as mentioned in the article is flawed. 1. can't upgrade current gear, sets back the m+ers to begin with needing to re-farm the items they have. 2. if the vault gives 226 for a 15 why not make KSM allow upgrades to 226 there's obviously a cap to valor and let that dictate how much you can upgrade in a week. 3. make another achievement for doing all the dungeons at +18-20 to allow 233 weapons that way the people who a. don't like pvp or b. don't have the time or ability to commit to mythic raiding the chance to get gear for possibly one of the most important gear slots. 4. don't allow gear previously obtained then sold/disenchanted the ability to upgrade.Commento di TOMRUSNo, it's not enough. Being forced to re acquire all gear to be able to upgrade it is a big issue, upgrade capping at 220 is bad too, and they doesn't address amount of loot (which is too low, considering it's base ilvl is also garbage) from M+ at all...

And we don't even have all the details about it... How much VP cap is? What's upgrade prices?Commento di JerzusNo, it's not enough. And we don't even have all the details about it...Commento di RedronPvP is time gated. You have to wait entire week to get 1 item. With m+, you can basically spam all day. M+ can't have imo 226 or 233 weapon. It will be like diablo 3. Get gear in one week and im done playing. See you next patch lol.Commento di aldar45And once again those of us who don't run mythics are left out in the cold. Apparently Blizz doesn't think we need upgrades too to try progression to end game. So nice to know that my main is completely stuck at ilvl 200 with ZERO chance of upgrading because raids and mythic will say "you can't run with us because your level is too low." Not to mention that LFR is all my main gets to run and even from the vault the gear isn't an upgrade by the time she could run all 4 wings. So no need to run those 4 at all.Commento di DedziorPvP is time gated. You have to wait entire week to get 1 item. With m+, you can basically spam all day. M+ can't have imo 226 or 233 weapon. It will be like diablo 3. Get gear in one week and im done playing. See you next patch lol.Commento di calmboarNo. All timed +18s should reward unlocks to upgrade to 226.Commento di TOMRUSNo. All timed +18s should reward unlocks to upgrade to 226.Commento di DanThePaladinNo, by the time the system is in place - most mains will be beyond the point where it is required. It is however a good thing for alts if you do a lot of keys on them (which I doubt most people do)

Also, the fact that pre-905 gear still isn't eligible is massive amounts of stupid - and I hope they fix it like they did with corruption gearCommento di DedziorNo. All timed +18s should reward unlocks to upgrade to 226.Commento di neverevernotIf PVP loot would be structured the same as PVE loot, you’d only be able to get 233 weapons in RBG and normal loot would be capped to 220 for arenas. Because clearly the effort and time/manpower investment and coordination of RBGs is higher. /sCommento di WarumCdtWell, if they don't increase drop rate the system might be useless (you usually want to upgrade the item you don't have).
For example, despite doing mm+ every week since the start (as a casual, 4 to 10 each weak) and trying to target specific dungeons where I can get a weapon, I just got one 187 weapon from the first week. It feels terrible to finally get an upgrade from a stupid WQ despite doing +11... If if check the stats, I've done 49 MM+ that could give me a weapon and just got one.
Because old items we won't be able to upgrade pre 9.05 items, I'm still gonna be stuck with RNG and the ridiculous drop rate of weapons in this extension.
My iLvl is still going up, but it would do more damage with lower iLvl but a decent weapon.

I know, it's just RNG but if the system is supposed to fix this it doesn't seem like a good solution... And I agree : a last cap at max iLvl for doing all +20 should exist too.

PS : sry not native english speaker...Commento di limpykwhen 9.0.5?Commento di ZewinterWhatever they do it's too late.
This expansion vision is doomed.
Making loot take more time to get but buffing pvp gear acquistion to be better than all other expansions.
Aoe capping most classes but forgeting fire mages.
Covenants choice that got proved wrong with people just picking it for power reasons.

I'm sure the pvp players will enjoy it, maybe it's a test to see if pvp can keep an expansion alive.Commento di LostelfMythic+ doesn't really have a place to fit neatly in the game outside of the diablo-ified loot system we saw in Legion and BfA.

Sadly it's too late to put the genie back in the bottle and we're stuck with it. I personally hope they don't add more cosmetic rewards to it, there's too much time-sensitive stuff in the game as is.Commento di Megaman13This will be terrific. We are ONLY 2 months in to this expansion, and there are those players out there who think they should just HAVE IT ALL!

We have the better part of 2 years left in this expansion...can we please put everything into perspective?Commento di timhounsellAnd once again those of us who don't run mythics are left out in the cold. Apparently Blizz doesn't think we need upgrades too to try progression to end game. So nice to know that my main is completely stuck at ilvl 200 with ZERO chance of upgrading because raids and mythic will say "you can't run with us because your level is too low." Not to mention that LFR is all my main gets to run and even from the vault the gear isn't an upgrade by the time she could run all 4 wings. So no need to run those 4 at all.

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